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|text=You know, after all of this time, there is something that has been bothering me and some of the other users on this site. What is it?

Page creations that have no descriptions. Or to put it simply, stub/empty pages.

This is an issue because the way they are handled are unbalanced. Chuck was initially banned for mass creating them and Prodigy was warned multiple times about creating pages containing no descriptions, but I see many other users who do the same thing such as Rapidgamers and even an admin like Hb1290 and they never get called out for it. Yes, I understand that they are planning on updating it later or allowing others to work the page, but the thing is, they mostly never fulfill that promise or goal.

But why am I bothered by that? Not only because of aforementioned issue, but readers will be frustrated and very disappointed when they come across an empty page of a company they wanted to see. Not to mention that creating stub pages technically still means there isn't a real page for it.

So, what is the deal with them? Is it OKAY to create them or not?
|username=Camenati
|rank=User
|timestamp=1 June 2022
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|text=I agree that the rule about creating stub pages should be more strict. Perhaps we could implement a draft system similar to Wikipedia? (only autoconfirmed users can create pages in the mainspace)
|username=Logohub
|rank=Administrator
|timestamp=2 June 2022
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|text=If you mean my recent work with the Australian TV pages, I fully intend to continue with that after I finish my last major assignment for this semester. The edits from the other day were just the first step of splitting off the local IDs I'd already covered to individual station pages similar to how we cover American stations and creating a navbox to suit. I fully intend to expand those pages and add more of them as I find more stuff to describe in my travels on YouTube and the MediaSpy forum.

Also I wouldn't be opposed to adding a draft space. It would be a useful place for new editors to figure things out and a good place to put things that aren't mainspace quality but aren't vandalism, trolling or crappy enough to warrant deleting them altogether. It would be an extra step of quality control that we probably need since we're getting more encyclopedic and moving beyond "Scaaaaaary logoz" and "cheesy factors". As for how it would work, we should at least create some guidelines, like:
*As Logohub said we can have it so autoconfirmed users can't move their own drafts to mainspace. Autoconfirmed at the moment kicks in at 500 edits. we should be able to tweak permissions to stop them moving pages. Might cut down on page move vandalism too.
*Don't draftify an existing page without reason (it's considered disruptive). Also notify someone when you draftify an article they made (Maybe make a talk template for this).
*When draftyifying, mainspace redirects to drafts should be cleaned up. Such redirects can be listed for speedy deletion as uncontroversial cleanup
*Drafts that haven't been edited in a certain time-frame (we'll need to decide on this) can be deleted. Again, authors should be notified of this as a courtesy.
*If a draft is deleted an author can request an admin to restore it

A lot of this is adapted from the guidelines at {{w|WP:DRAFTS}}
|username=Hb1290
|rank=Administrator
|timestamp=2 June 2022
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|text=I'm dealing with the same problem. All that these empty pages has is a sentence, yet they meet users like me, which doesn't quit early unless it's important. Like these stub pages are basically logos that I never heard of. Saying you like this stuff is saying that the best Fox Video logo is the 1st. What do you mean, it's the worst in my opinion. They are so pitless that sometimes, the only thing they filled out is the Heading and the background. Also, no credits section forces me to go to the page's history for the credit's section.... only for the editor to have a timeout. So overall, putting in "TBA", especially with that stupid explanation mark in the early years, makes me mad, because I have to get the video on YouTube and fill in detail. It's like where I have to edit Siam Star (Thailand), the 1st logo doesn't have enough detail, and the 2nd logo is like "TBAǃǃǃ1ǃǃ1ǃǃ", so I have to edit the pages. I see where you're going Hb1290, where you have a semester, but I live in Eastern Standard Time of the USA. So to me, having an extra month on school is weird because I didn't experience it. So in conclusion...

The explanation mark is ditched.
|username=TVB
|rank=User
|timestamp=2 June 2022
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