AVID:Requests for Comment/Rebranding proposals

Following the rebranding, several users have suggested changes to be made to the wiki. This RfC is to decide if these suggestions should be implemented.  Logohub   (talk) 23:21, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 1 (Limit to only three nicknames)
There is a tendency for nicknames on the wiki to be overly excessive and meticulous, redundant, and heavily opinionated. Therefore, putting a limit to the number of nicknames (and including only official ones when possible) should be done.

Support (1)

 * 1) Nicknames have got out of hand somewhat sig.png Talk ·&#32;Edits 23:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) That's for sure LurkingManiac (talk) 23:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  Yep, there are a ridiculous amount of nicknames which are not needed to describe one logo. Another suggestion I would like to make to improve the nicknames is to stop using stupid names like "Logo's Brother" or "The Personification of All That Is (Some exaggerated term)". Camenati (talk) 00:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 2 (Merge Company Bumpers Database with AVID)
The Company Bumpers wiki was originally split off from the CLG Wiki because it does not fit the "closing logos" image. However, the CB wiki is poorly maintained and fairly inactive, thus creating a breeding ground for socks and vandals who often continue their antics there after being blocked on CLG/AVID. Company bumpers also often intersect production logos, and some logos (such as Paramount Home Entertainment, Walt Disney Home Video and Columbia TriStar Home Video) serve as both production logos and bumpers.

Support (2)

 * 1)  YES, That site I have barely used in a long time (even in wikifoundry.) So seeing this change works out SUPER WELL. -SORA- (HifiSara9000seven) (talk) 23:50, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  I don't even use CBD that often, so this would work. ShanuJackal (talk) 23:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  LurkingManiac (talk) 00:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 4)  honestly it's pointless to argue against it at this point considering what's described above and the name is not exclusive to logos anymore. Mr. Gann (talk) 00:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 3 (Reintroduce commercial logos)
Originally covered in a separate wiki on WF before being taken down, commercial logos are considered "auduovisual identity", and are very similar to production logos. Several companies (such as Sony and Intel) have their logos serve as both a production logo and a commercial logo.

Support (3)

 * 1)  CalvinWilkerson (talk) 23:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Y'know what, that actually kinda sounds like it'd be worth a shot. I'd definitely like to see this in action! LurkingManiac (talk) 23:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  I mean, some variations of other logos come from TV spots so why not? Also, I have something in mind with this category. Camenati (talk) 00:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 4 (Reintroduce startup/shutdown screens/logos)
Originally being covered on the WF wiki before being removed altogether for not being "logos", bootscreens/startup screens/logos are considered "audiovisual identity" and again are very similar to production logos. AVID already have console startup screens so it would make sense for OS startup screens to be included.

Support (4)
See also 3 CalvinWilkerson (talk) 23:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

in the world. i really don't know why we have console startups but not os startups. so this makes a lot of sense to me. tmsl (talk) 23:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, please, I would love this addition. ShanuJackal (talk) 00:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 5 (Reintroduce infoboxes)
Infoboxes were briefly implemented before being removed. Infoboxes could make page navigation much easier and could supplement very long background sections by offering "at a glance" information.

Support (5)

 * 1) as the original proposal of this dea before it was unilaterally shut down. sig.png Talk ·&#32;Edits 23:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Oppose (5)

 * 1)  Might not complement the structure of the page layout very well. Imagine if the gallery and infobox are on opposite sides and then the description on the former takes up both halves on the bottom. That feels off, you know? Not to mention articles will look inconsistent if they have little to no background information. Camenati (talk) 00:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 6 (Replace "Editor's Note" with "Legacy")
"Editor's Note" sounds vague and some confuse it for a personal commentary section when it's not. "Legacy" sounds more fitting and less opinionated. It should also be an optional part of a page, since not all logos are notable enough for it to warrant an editor's note/legacy section.

Support (6)

 * 1) A much better approach to that secton. The Editor's Note was a good idea, just implemented badly. sig.png Talk ·&#32;Edits 23:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Per the proposal's explanation. Camenati (talk) 00:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 7 (Remove the "Print Logos" section)
With the wiki being refocused to audiovisual identity, the print logos section stands out. Even so, the section is often overlooked, with most pages from this section being carbon copies of Logopedia pages, and frankly Logopedia does its job on covering print logos much better.

Support (7)

 * 1)  I am not a fan of those print logo articles. They often plagiarize Logopedia and if these type of logos are described on the main article, then what is the point of visiting the print logos section? And once again, Logopedia did it first and better and the AVID Wiki does little to distinguish itself from the former. Including variants of print logos? Logopedia does it too albeit in a different page linked to the main one. I can't really think of much to improve on this section. This section is better off on Logopedia. Plus, if commercial and startup logos will be acceptable on the site soon, then the Logopedia plagiarizing will only get worse. Camenati (talk) 00:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Oppose (7)

 * 1)  I don't like having the removal of Print Logos, because I Feel like Excluding them would be a missed opportunity. Yes, they are specifically made for something like Posters, Merchandise, etc. but Print logos do sometimes show up on Visual Media. (Ex: Transformers: The last knight,  barbarian, etc.)  -SORA- (HifiSara9000seven) (talk) 00:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 8.1 (Remove country names from non-US logos' page titles unless they share the same company name)
Some users regard the policy of only putting country names in non-US logo page titles as very US-centric, thus not providing a neutral point of view. Because of that, some proposed the country names should be removed from the page title, unless they share the same company name.

Support (8.1)

 * 1)  Well, this one's kind of a no-brainer. LurkingManiac (talk) 23:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) sig.png Talk ·&#32;Edits 23:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  Definitely nationalist, potentially racist...why do we even still do this? CalvinWilkerson (talk) 23:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 8.2 (Add "(United States)" to the page titles of US logos)
An alternative suggestion is instead to put "United States" into the titles of US logos.

Support (8.2)

 * 1)  on the condition that big multinationals like Disney, Paramount, UNiversal, etc. are exempted. sig.png Talk ·&#32;Edits 23:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Oppose (8.2)

 * 1)  You serious? LurkingManiac (talk) 23:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Are you high? CalvinWilkerson (talk) 23:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)